Following on from last weeks discussion with a Manchester City fan I thought why not do the same with our next league opposition, Stoke City. Having suffered defeat to Wolves 2-1 on the opening day of the season and lost their new signing Kenwyne Jones to injury, things weren’t looking too bright for the oldest club in the premier league when I spoke to them over on Delilahs Forum.
Having been in the top flight for the previous 2 seasons and finishing in the very respectable positions of 11th and 12th Stoke have been a relative success story for promoted teams to base themselves on. Having never had to worry about a relegation battle and not suffering from the 2nd season syndrome that so many teams have before them could stoke now be looking to push on to bigger and better things? Maybe even a Europa League spot?
No, and I wouldn’t be too disappointed by that. It’s far too early in our hopefully lengthy Premier League stay to start thinking of Europe, especially with the squad we have. It’d be far too much of a distraction and probably see our league position suffer.
With that in mind, where do you think you’ll finish this season?
I predicted 13th at the start of the season. I’m depressed at the Wolves result, you shouldn’t be losing there I don’t think, so it could be lower than that. A lot depends on the start we make, with some tough games coming up, plus any further signings Pulis makes. I’ll stay positive and keep with 13th then!
Looking on the bright side, Wolves did the double over us last season and it didn’t do us too much harm. However as far as Saturday’s game goes we probably could’ve done with them beating Wolves. With Chelsea away being
Stoke’s game after our’s you can suddenly see how it’s almost a “must win” for the Potters. With this being the case and it being their first home game of the season, the Stoke fans will certainly be doing their best to be a 12th man. I was lucky enough to be at the Britannia Stadium for their first home league game back in England’s top division against Aston Villa. Normally the highlight of the day would’ve been having dinner with Bruno Brookes before the game (I won’t go into how I ended up with corporate tickets) but I can honestly say it was one of the best atmosphere’s I’d ever experienced as a neutral supporter. Voted one of the loudest stadiums in the premier league (along with WHL I should add) it’s always a good place to go as an away fan. One of the things I find as an away fan when travelling to many grounds is how easy it is for a group of 2500-3000 fans to out-sing the opposition. Stoke is one ground I’ve come away being impressed with but what about them? Any favourite stadiums?
Not many to be honest. And I’m annoyed you’ve nicked “Oh when the reds” and changed it to “Oh when the Spurs”, you’re even singing it slowly like we do. It does sound good and you do make some noise. I had to chuckle reading some twonk in the Daily Terror (Mail) the other day who said he liked going to Liverpool ‘for the atmosphere’ – not been for a while then fella?
The one problem Stoke have on the pitch is the perception they give of a boring team with negative tactics, long throws and nasty challenges. I’ve never had a problem with the long throw-in or what some would call their bully boy tactics. Teams have to play to their strengths. I’ll be standing in the away end on Saturday screaming at the ref at some point for what I feel is an over-the-top challenge like everyone else does but it’s part of the game and has to be dealt with. I’m not talking leg breaking challenges here, but tough, hard, in your face stuff is fine by me and it’s up to the Spurs players to give some back. Most of that would never be tolerated at Spurs though, with a tradition of at least attempting to try and play attractive, attacking football but sometimes needs must and if that’s their best way of staying in the league is that a problem?
I have no problem with our style of play if that means we don’t get relegated. Would I prefer to play a more attractive style of football? Yes, of course.
However, much of what people think is based on what the media have portrayed us to be. The media are an exceptionally lazy bunch and won’t bother looking beyond a convenient stereotype if that means some work needs to be done or it causes one journo to stand out from the crowd. You must have experienced this too.
One of Stoke’s best players last season was ex-spur Matty Etherington. While he was young when he played for us he always showed promise in my opinion and I was one of the few who felt he could’ve stayed, even though he had many games where he just didn’t cut it.
What I saw of him at Spurs, I’d agree that he wasn’t good enough at that time in that side. Some players are like that, Riccy Fuller’s been pretty good for us but I don’t think you’d get many fans of Southampton or Portsmouth agreeing. Ethers has been good for Stoke so maybe he likes being in a side where he can stand out.
In the last couple of seasons Tony Pulis has spent most of his transfer kitty on defenders but having only scored 34 goals last season, a striker or two has been his priority this summer. Having signed Kenwyne Jones for £8m from Sunderland they have also now added Jon Walters from Ipswich. Jones was courted last year, if you believe the press, by Spurs but Sunderland wouldn’t sell him at the time. It looks from the outside that he might be a perfect signing for Stoke’s style of play but what will he bring?
Not Mama Sidibe’s finishing hopefully! I imagine he’ll play the same role as Mama, Pulis seems to love a big centre forward, but Jones will hopefully keep interested and put the ball in the net a dozen or so times this year, which Sidibe (gawd bless his effort!) just can’t do.
Getting onto last season and their 12th place finish what were the highlights and low points?
Highlights – the season long comfort of being midtable. One game highlight – probably Spurs (sorry!) even if we did nick the points the result was fantastic. Beating the Arse in the Cup was good too, even if Wenger tried to make out it didn’t matter. If you tried a bit harder, garlic breath, your trophy cabinet wouldn’t be so bare now would it! Low point – drawing Arse, Man C and Chelsea in the Cup, then watching a debt-ridden Pompey get to the Final. How?
I’m not sure if he’s just pandering to my hatred of all things Arsenal now but I’m starting to like this guy.
Which is conflicting with my personal experiences and tales I’ve heard of Stoke fans. The Naughty Forty are Stoke’s
hooligan firm and are still very much alive today. Not as bad as it was 10 years ago but when I think of hooligans I think of Cardiff, Millwall and Stoke, closely followed by Leeds. Now, obviously not all fans are like that, especially nowadays but it does still go on and we’re not saints either. Last season, while celebrating our 2nd goal at the Britannia some neanderthal in the front row was clearly making “I’ll cut your throat” gestures at me. Nice I thought as I stood next to my wife. So, are their any teams they don’t mind?
Do we have that reputation? We do have a lot of knuckle-heads that’s true but that’s Stoke-on-Trent in general I’d say! Spurs are OK and the older fans of Liverpool and Everton have been pretty balanced since we’ve been back in the top flight. The usual glory-hunting suspects of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal wind me up, most often simply because they haven’t a real clue of what they’re talking about! Personally I don’t mind the Baggies either.
So to wrap things up how about predictions for where we’ll finish this season and Saturday’s game?
If you get through against Young Boys (and how jealous is Arsene about that!!) the CL may be a distraction, but I’ll go for 4th or 5th. I think Liverpool may do better this year and Man C must be there or thereabouts.
I’m pretty pessimistic at the moment after Wolves and without Jones, so I’ll go for 1-2 defeat and take anything better.
I wonder whether the fact Defoe and Moddle look like they could miss this game has changed his opinion on that in the last 2 days?
Either way, it’s always a good trip to Stoke. Any Spurs fans attending should think about meeting at the Staff Uni SU Bar which is specifically for travelling away fans and includes a bus (last season was police escorted so we didn’t miss the start) to the ground and back to the train station after. All for about £3 each. Can’t go wrong. See you there.
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